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作者: 有勇冇謀 時間: 2006-8-31 10:31
標題: 電池自動死亡之迷(三洋3600)
各師兄..
小弟買了一排三洋3600電池(唔係 match)一個月之內, 叉不足4次, 在最後一次叉電時,叉到3900 但排電非常之熱, 小弟不足為意, 到用排電時, 完全無電唔車

, 原來舊電瓜 o左....why????

點保養?? 可否提點下...

小弟用 ko叉機 3A叉
玩完車放電保存

[ 本帖最後由有勇冇謀於 2006-8-31 10:47 編輯 ]

作者: AMAT 時間: 2006-8-31 10:37
KO咩差機?

作者: 有勇冇謀 時間: 2006-8-31 10:43

原帖由 AMAT 於 2006-8-31 10:37 發表
KO咩差機?

好似 bx-213

作者: AMAT 時間: 2006-8-31 10:53

原帖由 有勇冇謀 於 2006-8-31 10:43 發表

好似 bx-213

213出名差死NI-MH電.....所以好多人放棄咗好耐.

換差機啦......

作者: 有勇冇謀 時間: 2006-8-31 10:57

原帖由 AMAT 於 2006-8-31 10:53 發表

213出名差死NI-MH電.....所以好多人放棄好耐.

換差機啦......

...唔係呀化!!!...嗚....

thx AMAT兄..

[ 本帖最後由有勇冇謀於 2006-8-31 15:02 編輯 ]

作者: SPOONACCORD 時間: 2006-8-31 14:13
APEX MU 好唔好用～？

作者: AMAT 時間: 2006-8-31 14:14

原帖由 SPOONACCORD 於 2006-8-31 14:13 發表
APEX MU 好唔好用～？

.......聽聞就.....嗯........一般般.....

作者: 有勇冇謀 時間: 2006-8-31 15:03

原帖由 AMAT 於 2006-8-31 14:14 發表

.......聽聞就.....嗯........一般般.....

咁有咩叉機好介紹?? ($800 以內)
THANKS....

作者: AMAT 時間: 2006-8-31 15:15

原帖由 有勇冇謀 於 2006-8-31 15:03 發表

咁有咩叉機好介紹?? ($800 以內)
THANKS....

二手MUCH MORE囉.....

作者: AIBO 時間: 2006-8-31 15:34

原帖由 SPOONACCORD 於 2006-8-31 14:13 發表
APEX MU 好唔好用～？

差唔足,又差唔準.誤差值較大.
不過已平價差機來講,佢算係咁.
apex野有一點好處,壞左有得整+保養期無限.

作者: herbert1 時間: 2006-8-31 15:43
我覺得差唔準冇乜所謂 , 最緊要唔好差死電...........

作者: 有勇冇謀 時間: 2006-8-31 15:48

原帖由 AMAT 於 2006-8-31 10:53 發表

213出名差死NI-MH電.....所以好多人放棄好耐.

換差機啦......

講翻轉頭....why 叉死NI-MH電??

作者: AMAT 時間: 2006-8-31 15:52

原帖由 herbert1 於 2006-8-31 15:43 發表
我覺得差唔準冇乜所謂 , 最緊要唔好差死電...........

差唔準咪就係會差多幾次就死電囉.....

作者: AMAT 時間: 2006-8-31 15:53

原帖由 有勇冇謀 於 2006-8-31 15:48 發表

講翻轉頭....why 叉死NI-MH電??

差果時個PEAK DETECT唔好....搞到O的電易過熱呀,差唔滿之類咁O既問題囉.....
同CDC 5.0差唔多......好多人話CDC 5.0都仲好過佢....

作者: herbert1 時間: 2006-8-31 17:00

原帖由 AMAT 於 2006-8-31 15:52 發表

差唔準咪就係會差多幾次就死電囉.....

咪早少少自己cut電囉..........

作者: AMAT 時間: 2006-8-31 17:02

原帖由 herbert1 於 2006-8-31 17:00 發表

咪早少少自己cut電囉..........

計得咁準喇咩......

作者: Motorman 時間: 2006-9-1 01:32

原帖由 有勇冇謀 於 2006-8-31 10:31 AM 發表
各師兄..
小弟買了一排三洋3600電池(唔係 match)一個月之內, 叉不足4次, 在最後一次叉電時,叉到3900 但排電非常之熱, 小弟不足為意, 到用排電時, 完全無電唔車, 原來舊電瓜 o左....why???? 點保養?? 可否提點下...

小弟用 ko叉機 3A叉
玩完車放電保存

NiMH batteries almost have no "memory effect" (as NiCd does) and not necessary to discharge the remained power actually (after 玩完車)….. "玩完車放電保存" is the major reason while the battery died. Beside, 叉到3900 is another hurt. You have to cut off manually before 3750.

The best method is to discharge the remained power before you charge it up to play. If you expect will not use the NiMH battery for a long time, you have to fully charge the battery before put it into the box.

For long time not use, better do one cycle at least "discharge and charge" per month. Otherwise the inner battery fluid / material will be crystallized and reduce the capacity and turn to dead

Good luck.

作者: SPOONACCORD 時間: 2006-9-1 02:15
ｔｃｐ又得唔得～～我用緊～
一般用幾多ａ？

作者: GigaRacer 時間: 2006-9-1 02:40

原帖由 SPOONACCORD 於 2006-8-31 10:15 發表
ｔｃｐ又得唔得～～我用緊～
一般用幾多ａ？

How about ICE charger? Invest one time, and can charge Lipo in the future.

作者: Motorman 時間: 2006-9-1 02:56

原帖由 SPOONACCORD 於 2006-9-1 02:15 AM 發表
ｔｃｐ又得唔得～～我用緊～
一般用幾多ａ？

Those latest NiMH batteris (over 3300 mAh) could be used 4A - 5A to charge it. (For those unmatched or unzapped batteries, don't charge with a current over 5A, otherwise the battery will become very hot and not durable). Does your TCP got LCD to display charging time and mAh information? If no, it's hard to tell the battery status during charging and nobody will know whether the job could be done.

I suggest to buy a better charger at least with follow adjustable functions or display:
1. current (A)
2. type of battery (NiCd, NiMH, Lipo......)
3. "delta V" detection value (NiCd and NiMH got different value)
4. charging time display
5. mAh display
5. temp display (if applicable)

Note: Without good charger and good batteries, the car won't be fast even you have a 7T motor. To be honest.... get better battery and charger..... even run with a 23T motor and you could have a modified motor feel.

作者: GigaRacer 時間: 2006-9-1 07:17

原帖由 Motorman 於 2006-8-31 10:56 發表

Those latest NiMH batteris (over 3300 mAh) could be used 4A - 5A to charge it. (For those unmatched or unzapped batteries, don't charge with a current over 5A, otherwise the battery will become ...

Motorman always encourage good batteries. Do you go to Tamiya USA official track a lot? Looks very nice in picture, and it opens to public for free on Sat.

作者: Motorman 時間: 2006-9-1 07:25

原帖由 GigaRacer 於 2006-9-1 07:17 AM 發表

Motorman always encourage good batteries. Do you go to Tamiya USA official track a lot? Looks very nice in picture, and it opens to public for free on Sat.

Yes, for my experience.... battery always play an important role.

I don't know it opens to public on Sat....... let me check it out and.........

作者: Motorman 時間: 2006-9-1 08:07

原帖由 GigaRacer 於 2006-9-1 07:17 AM 發表

Do you go to Tamiya USA official track a lot? Looks very nice in picture, and it opens to public for free on Sat.

You are correct........ confirmed by US Tamiya...... I will have fun overthere every Saturday from now......

登錄/註冊後可看大圖

作者: GigaRacer 時間: 2006-9-1 08:27

原帖由 Motorman 於 2006-8-31 16:07 發表

You are correct........ confirmed by US Tamiya...... I will have fun overthere every Saturday from now......

登錄/註冊後可看大圖

now you owe me a pack of "good" battery...

作者: shungyan 時間: 2006-9-1 09:26
HiHi,

There is a lot of reasons for battery to die. But usually, it will not die as sudden as in your case. If it do so, your battery must have been overheat a lot, say, 70-80 degree. I through your battery die was owning to battery quality itself. You may check the inter-connection of those cell. May be one battery cell die and cause the whole pack disconnected.

For charger, much more fits your budget very much. Pay $200 more and it will not disappoint you.

作者: 有勇冇謀 時間: 2006-9-1 09:57

原帖由 Motorman 於 2006-9-1 01:32 發表

The best method is to discharge the remained power before you charge it up to play. If you expect will not use the NiMH battery for a long time, you have to fully charge the battery before put it into the box.

多謝各師兄賜教.....
咁用咩放電好呢??

作者: s 時間: 2006-9-1 10:15
用番排sanyo電放晒佢,搵弟部機叉5A,再放一次,再5A叉,睇救唔救得番.

你指好熱,排排電叉完都好熱,未出水未到極......除IB電外!

作者: s 時間: 2006-9-1 10:23

原帖由 有勇冇謀 於 2006-9-1 09:57 發表

多謝各師兄賜教.....
咁用咩放電好呢??

一二佰-成千放電機,再平用12V射燈加落夾仔放$50內.........

作者: Motorman 時間: 2006-9-1 10:57

原帖由 有勇冇謀 於 2006-9-1 09:57 AM 發表

多謝各師兄賜教.....
咁用咩放電好呢??

For cycling or discharge a full charged battery........ I suggest use 10A discharge to 5.4V first and then continue use 1A to discharge down to (5.4V - 5.0V)... and unplug..... after the battery cool down, you could recharge it again. This is a good cycle method.

Why need 10A and 1A discharge: (6 cells batteries pack for example)

10A discharge ----> same situation as running on the car. (unmatched and unzapped batteries are not good for 20A, 30A discharging and I don't suggest high current discharge since it harm the batteries very much and generate a lot of heat)

After "10A discharged" to 5.4V, the battery still remains a lot of power and it doesn't really 100% discharge during this period.

Then use 1A to discharge to 5.4V or lower voltage..... the battery really reach 100% discharged this time. (This process is called equalized.)

Finally, the battery pack could be recharged again after cool off. (Cyling NiMH batteries not more than 3 times per day was suggested)

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Buy a charger with 0 to 10 A discharge function, then you could have the job done.

作者: AMAT 時間: 2006-9-1 10:59

原帖由 Motorman 於 2006-9-1 10:57 發表

For cycling or discharge a full charged battery........ I suggest use 10A discharge to 5.4V first and then continue use 1A to discharge down to (5.4V - 5.0V)... and unplug..... after the batt ...

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作者: 有勇冇謀 時間: 2006-9-1 11:02

原帖由 Motorman 於 2006-9-1 10:57 發表

Buy a charger with 0 to 10 A discharge function, then you could have the job done.

thanks very very much
有冇淨 discharge for 0 to 10A ?? & how much??

作者: Motorman 時間: 2006-9-1 11:03

原帖由 GigaRacer 於 2006-9-1 08:27 AM 發表

now you owe me a pack of "good" battery...

Next time you stop by here, I bring you there have fun!

作者: Motorman 時間: 2006-9-1 11:09

原帖由 有勇冇謀 於 2006-9-1 11:02 AM 發表

thanks very very much
有冇淨 discharge for 0 to 10A ?? & how much??

As I know, there're no this kind of discharger on the market.

I am using this one:

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作者: s 時間: 2006-9-1 11:32

原帖由 有勇冇謀 於 2006-9-1 11:02 發表

thanks very very much
有冇淨 discharge for 0 to 10A ?? & how much??

救番舊電先la,先用最平$來試,有分唇可大可小.........$

作者: jpmontoya2 時間: 2006-9-1 11:35

原帖由 有勇冇謀 於 2006-8-31 10:31 發表
各師兄..
小弟買了一排三洋3600電池(唔係 match)一個月之內, 叉不足4次, 在最後一次叉電時,叉到3900 但排電非常之熱, 小弟不足為意, 到用排電時, 完全無電唔車, 原來舊電瓜 o左....why???? 點保養?? 可否提 ...

I ahve the Tamiya 3600 Sanyo HV pack too...after a few charge..one of them has the liquid leaking man!!!
poor quality!!!!!!!

作者: 有勇冇謀 時間: 2006-9-1 14:25

原帖由 jpmontoya2 於 2006-9-1 11:35 發表

I ahve the Tamiya 3600 Sanyo HV pack too...after a few charge..one of them has the liquid leaking man!!!
poor quality!!!!!!!

OH...唔見 $四舊幾

作者: s 時間: 2006-9-1 14:35

原帖由 有勇冇謀 於 2006-9-1 14:25 發表

OH...唔見 $四舊幾

買咩泥?

作者: 112233men 時間: 2006-9-7 17:17
你的v數吾好差甘大咪吾怕咁易死羅.....................................

作者: 112233men 時間: 2006-9-7 17:20
我都買左隻兩佰

作者: wave 時間: 2006-9-7 17:26

原帖由 112233men 於 2006-9-7 17:17 發表
你的v數吾好差甘大咪吾怕咁易死羅.....................................

V數定A數呀!

作者: DieselEngine 時間: 2006-9-7 20:32

原帖由 AIBO 於 31/8/2006 03:34 PM 發表

差唔足,又差唔準.誤差值較大.
不過已平價差機來講,佢算係咁.
apex野有一點好處,壞左有得整+保養期無限.

唔講又真係唔知APEX有保養啵, 小生買果部APEX sigma係二手.
但係用左都成年, 叉電就唔會話滿爆, 但起碼冇死過電, 對於玩油車的小生黎講很滿足了.

作者: Motorman 時間: 2006-9-9 11:08
Hit the link for NiMH Battery Care and Maintenance

作者: jackychan 時間: 2006-9-9 15:30

原帖由 Motorman 於 2006-9-9 11:08 發表
Hit the link for NiMH Battery Care and Maintenance

thx for sharing

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