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作者: APPLE 時間: 2007-5-21 10:52
標題: 吾之用吾用到這個麼打呢....？
請問....？？...有沒有車友知道，四驅的原裝底版（無加Fet）可吾可以落這個(Stock R)麼打玩呢.......！

作者: scalpel 時間: 2007-5-21 12:18

原帖由 APPLE 於 2007-5-21 10:52 發表
請問....？？...有沒有車友知道，四驅的原裝底版（無加Fet）可吾可以落這個(Stock R)麼打玩呢.......！

Yes, it can, it requires 2 x 3010 FETs PCB only. But from the past experience, adding FET is better, like 4 x 4562.

作者: m16 時間: 2007-5-21 17:47
Monkey don't try !!!

作者: APPLE 時間: 2007-5-21 18:00

原帖由 m16 於 2007-5-21 17:47 發表
Monkey don't try !!!

咁你果個吾玩，吾好浪費左佢，比我用啦....！

作者: APPLE 時間: 2007-5-21 18:05

原帖由 m16 於 2007-5-21 17:47 發表
Monkey don't try !!!

有PM比你....！M16，快Ｄ去睇啦..！

作者: APPLE 時間: 2007-5-22 01:54

原帖由 scalpel 於 2007-5-21 12:18 發表

Yes, it can, it requires 2 x 3010 FETs PCB only. But from the past experience, adding FET is better, like 4 x 4562.

THX scalpel 兄～！

咁我都諗下加吾加番兩粒好～！

作者: scalpel 時間: 2007-5-22 02:23

原帖由 APPLE 於 2007-5-22 01:54 發表

THX scalpel 兄～！

咁我都諗下加吾加番兩粒好～！

Change all to 4562!

作者: APPLE 時間: 2007-5-22 02:30

原帖由 scalpel 於 2007-5-22 02:23 發表

Change all to 4562!

＄～＄～＄～＄～！

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-22 13:17
Should be OK with the M010 PCB but you have to ensure other things run smoothly. Is the drive train efficient? Is the gear ratio conservative? Is the motor of good condition? Questions like these.

作者: hlsk 時間: 2007-5-25 16:23

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-22 13:17 發表
Should be OK with the M010 PCB but you have to ensure other things run smoothly. Is the drive train efficient? Is the gear ratio conservative? Is the motor of good condition? Questions like these.

Running an Atomic stock on AD is proven to be safe but a bit doubtful if it really works on AM's. Pls show us how and what is " YOUR " definition of efficient drive train, conservative or aggressive gear ratio and condition of the motor so and so .. with graph or power point presentation will be great

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-28 14:14

原帖由 hlsk 於 2007-5-25 16:23 發表

Running an Atomic stock on AD is proven to be safe but a bit doubtful if it really works on AM's. Pls show us how and what is " YOUR " definition of efficient drive train, conservativ ...

Pay me if you wish to have a presentation or graph. $600 per working hour.

I guess somebody is asking about M010 PCB which is not the AD. Prove that first yourself if you are somebody who produces the motor. You are not answering his question if you mention AD PCB.

[ 本帖最後由 billy86che 於 2007-5-28 14:18 編輯 ]

作者: hlsk 時間: 2007-5-28 15:34

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-28 14:14 發表

Pay me if you wish to have a presentation or graph. $600 per working hour.

I guess somebody is asking about M010 PCB which is not the AD. Prove that first yourself if you are somebody who pr ...

No problem, come to take it if you can.

Be frank, I am rather doubt that your kindergarten theory worth a cent or not.
Please open all of your four eyes to go through my post word by word, I said " Running an Atomic stock on AD is proven to be safe but a bit doubtful if it really works on AM's " . You need to be responsible on your confusing reply, buddies here asked because they are new, you need to be specific on your recommendations or you want them to burn their electronics on purpose that will be another issue

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-28 15:55

原帖由 hlsk 於 2007-5-28 15:34 發表

No problem, come to take it if you can. Be frank, I am rather doubt that your kindergarten theory worth a cent or not.
Please open all of your four eyes to go through my post word by w ...

So prove that it can run on M010 AM then! Supplying information about the AD is misleading.

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-28 15:57

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-28 15:55 發表

So prove that it can run on M010 AM then! Supplying information about the AD is misleading.

By the way, we don't say "I am rather doubt". We simply put it "I rather doubt". It 's also kindergarten stuff.
If you are so easy to get angry, do not start a post which is that offensive.

[ 本帖最後由 billy86che 於 2007-5-28 16:06 編輯 ]

作者: hlsk 時間: 2007-5-28 16:09

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-28 15:55 發表

So prove that it can run on M010 AM then! Supplying information about the AD is misleading.

I said AD pcb is proven workable with Atomic Stock but not AM. The one who need to prove AM PCB works with the subject motor is YOU

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-28 16:14
For those who need proof,
here is what I found on the rc atomic website:

"Specfication:

Model: MO-006, STOCK R Evolution Motor

Basic Requirement: MOSFET 3010 x 2 / (1 layer)"

M010 AM PCB has 3010 x 2, so buddies should be able to use the motor on it except if ATOMIC is telling lies.
Go and question the company if anything unpleasant happens.

作者: hlsk 時間: 2007-5-28 16:15

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-28 15:57 發表

By the way, we don't say "I am rather doubt". We simply put it "I rather doubt". It 's also kindergarten stuff.
If you are so easy to get angry, do not start a post which i ...

All because of your confusing nonsense

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-28 16:18

原帖由 hlsk 於 2007-5-28 16:15 發表

All because of your confusing nonsense

謾罵?

作者: hlsk 時間: 2007-5-28 16:23

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-28 16:14 發表
For those who need proof,
here is what I found on the rc atomic website:

"Specfication:

Model: MO-006, STOCK R Evolution Motor

Basic Requirement: MOSFET 3010 x 2 / (1 layer)"
...

For those who need proof is, Mr. Billy kindergarten teacher show us how it works on a stock AWD. I will pay you couple of dollars to watch the show. Oh, with another 10 for your Motor charts

作者: hlsk 時間: 2007-5-28 16:23

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-28 16:18 發表

謾罵?

Welcome

作者: APPLE 時間: 2007-5-28 16:25
上星期用過，真的好很好很勁，但齒比吾好太少，

但3010好快會頂吾，只有等佢死.....！

一死之就緊係換....4...5...6...2....啦....！

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-28 16:31
The topic post asked this:

"請問....？？...有沒有車友知道，四驅的原裝底版（無加Fet）可吾可以落這個(Stock R)麼打玩呢.......！"

四驅的原裝底版 (M010 PCB) meets the requirement that the website www.rcatomic.com shows.
I guess "hs?k" mixed that up with the AM PCB of the MR01 and the early version of MR02 that contains only 3004 x 2. That caused the problem.

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-28 16:33

原帖由 APPLE 於 2007-5-28 16:25 發表
上星期用過，真的好很好很勁，但齒比吾好太少，

但3010好快會頂吾，只有等佢死.....！

一死之就緊係換....4...5...6...2....啦....！

The website of the motor also gives you a recommended gear ratio but the package says nothing. That is the question.

作者: hlsk 時間: 2007-5-28 16:38

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-28 16:31 發表
The topic post asked this:

"請問....？？...有沒有車友知道，四驅的原裝底版（無加Fet）可吾可以落這個(Stock R)麼打玩呢.......！"

四驅的原裝底版 (M010 PCB) meets the requirement that th ...

The problem is, have you ever try it on a stock AM PCB on a " Smoothly, Efficient drive train and so called Conservative gear ratio " AWD ? If not, YOU ARE MISLEADING .

作者: hlsk 時間: 2007-5-28 16:42

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-28 16:33 發表

The website of the motor also gives you a recommended gear ratio but the package says nothing. That is the question.

Please dont bluff. Show us how your " Smooth, Efficient with conservative drive ratio " Stock AM PCB works with this motor at CT

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-28 16:45

原帖由 hlsk 於 2007-5-28 16:38 發表

The problem is, have you ever try it on a stock AM PCB on a " Smoothly, Efficient drive train and so called Conservative gear ratio " AWD ? If not, YOU ARE MISLEADING .

Note that "stock AM PCB" is not equal to "stock AWD PCB". The original post asked about the latter.

"Stock AM PCB" refers to all AM PCBs (some have only 2X 3004) while "stock AWD PCB" is M010 PCB which has 2X 3010 Fets.

If you keep on talking about "stock AM PCB", you are just giving an irrelevant answer.

I have never tried it on a "stock AM PCB" and I don't think that can be an answer to the original post by APPLE. If you really want to help others out on this site, read everything carefully please before you post a reply.

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作者: LCG 時間: 2007-5-28 16:56

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-22 13:17 發表
Should be OK with the M010 PCB but you have to ensure other things run smoothly. Is the drive train efficient? Is the gear ratio conservative? Is the motor of good condition? Questions like these.

唔知點解總有 D 人係喜歡拋書包..??? drive train efficient 你懂咩??? motor of good condition 你知咩??

咁請問你架 AWD 用乜 motor? run smoothly 嗎? drive train efficient 嗎?.. gear ratio conservative嗎? your motor good condition嗎?

唔好答我其他墅

人地好似問可吾可以落這個(Stock R)麼打玩..

可唔可以包括 (run smoothly 嗎? drive train efficient 嗎?.. gear ratio conservative? motor good condition嗎?)

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-28 17:00

原帖由 LCG 於 2007-5-28 16:56 發表

唔知點解總有 D 人係喜歡拋書包..??? drive train efficient 你懂咩??? motor of good condition 你知咩??

咁請問你架 AWD 用乜 motor? run smoothly 嗎? drive train efficient 嗎?.. gear ratio con ...

I recognize you of course! You are the one who often changes your ID and make your fonts bigger when you get angry! Nice to talk to you.

作者: LCG 時間: 2007-5-28 17:01

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-28 17:00 發表

I recognize you of course! You are the one who often changes your ID and make your fonts bigger when you get angry! Nice to talk to you.

So What

作者: LCG 時間: 2007-5-28 17:06

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-28 17:00 發表

I recognize you of course! You are the one who often changes your ID and make your fonts bigger when you get angry! Nice to talk to you.

So What

作者: hlsk 時間: 2007-5-28 17:06

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-28 16:45 發表

Note that "stock AM PCB" is not equal to "stock AWD PCB". The original post asked about the latter.
If you keep on talking about "stock AM PCB", you are just g ...

Oh. you want to switch topic again. You really think a " Stock AM PCB of a Stock AWD " do have difference with a " Stock AWD PCB " ?

I know why you always replied so many negatives and confusing post at other forums

So, have you ever tried the subject motor with the stated electronic before answering the host'is question?

If people know the answer, why they post a thread and ask ? you question them back ? want to show yourself to be an expert or some kind ?

[ 本帖最後由 hlsk 於 2007-5-28 17:08 編輯 ]

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-28 17:09
I mentioned "drive train efficiency", "motor condition" and "gear ratio" because a faster motor (like the one on the picture) is closing to the limitation of the AWD M010 PCB. If we are careless on the three things, we can still burn the fets. Even if you are using the motors provided by Kyosho, you can still get the PCB burnt if you stop the motor from running by force. Provided a faster motor like the one on the picture, you raise the possibility of burning your PCB.

作者: hlsk 時間: 2007-5-28 17:12

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-28 17:09 發表
I mentioned "drive train efficiency", "motor condition" and "gear ratio" because a faster motor (like the one on the picture) is closing to the limitation of the AWD M ...

Now, this is the positive and appropriate way of feedbacks you should have.

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-28 17:12

原帖由 hlsk 於 2007-5-28 17:06 發表

Oh. you want to switch topic again. You really think a " Stock AM PCB of a Stock AWD " do have difference with a " Stock AWD PCB " ? I know why you always replied so ...

APPLE asked, "可吾可以落這個(Stock R)麼打".
He didn't ask whether we have tried the motor. So who is switching the topic?

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-28 17:30

原帖由 hlsk 於 2007-5-28 17:06 發表

If people know the answer, why they post a thread and ask ? you question them back ? want to show yourself to be an expert or some kind ?

This is very interesting. When my students ask me questions, sometimes I choose to ask them back other questions so they learnt even better. This is a "problem based learning" approach. We don't always have to give, give, give. A good teacher can make students learn how to learn finally. As for weaker students, I give them answers directly. An example is this reply.

As for the "expert" question, I guess giving answers on forum to others is not equal to "showing that oneself is an expert" or else no one dares to give an answer.

作者: hlsk 時間: 2007-5-28 17:31

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-28 17:12 發表

APPLE asked, "可吾可以落這個(Stock R)麼打".
He didn't ask whether we have tried the motor. So who is switching the topic?

Definitely, so why you questioning him those " Pretending to be an expert " Questions, he didnt asked to be asked also.

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-28 18:06

原帖由 hlsk 於 2007-5-28 17:31 發表

Definitely, so why you questioning him those " Pretending to be an expert " Questions, he didnt asked to be asked also.

Those are not exactly questions asking him. I just suggested him to check those things when using the motor.

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-28 18:23

原帖由 hlsk 於 2007-5-28 17:12 發表

Now, this is the positive and appropriate way of feedbacks you should have.

Thanks. At least more fruitful than what you are doing.

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-29 11:57

原帖由 hlsk 於 2007-5-28 17:31 發表

Definitely, so why you questioning him those " Pretending to be an expert " Questions, he didnt asked to be asked also.

Those are not exactly questions asking him. I just suggested him to check those things when using the motor.

efficient drive train=轉動部份順唔順
motor condition=麼打殘唔殘
gear ratio=齒比

These are simple things. I like typying in English as it seems faster and easier to me. 只係你唔識姐，唔好話人扮expert.

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作者: hlsk 時間: 2007-5-29 12:43

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-29 11:57 發表

Those are not exactly questions asking him. I just suggested him to check those things when using the motor.

efficient drive train=轉動部份順唔順
motor condition=麼打殘唔殘
gear ratio=齒比 ...

It should be simply but sorry, you are the one who made simple things complicated. Always pretending, just pretending to be an expert.

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-29 12:45

原帖由 hlsk 於 2007-5-29 12:43 發表

It should be simply but sorry, you are the one who made simple things complicated. Always pretending, just pretending to be an expert. ;P

Say anything you wish!

(But it should be 'simple' not 'simply' in your sentence) Remember, you are free to type in Chinese. You don't have to "pretend" to know English.

[ 本帖最後由 billy86che 於 2007-5-29 12:49 編輯 ]

作者: hlsk 時間: 2007-5-29 12:56

原帖由 billy86che 於 2007-5-29 12:45 發表

Say anything you wish! (But it should be 'simple' not 'simply' in your sentence) Remember, you are free to type in Chinese. You don't have to "pretend" to know English.

Anyway thank you for the typo correction, but you dont have to pretend to be an expert and act like a teacher " Kindergarten " style

作者: billy86che 時間: 2007-5-29 13:03

原帖由 hlsk 於 2007-5-29 12:56 發表

Anyway thank you for the typo correction, but you dont have to pretend to be an expert and act like a teacher " Kindergarten " style

I didn't do corrections, I just helped you to correct it. Isn't it fun to learn English this way?

Also, don't offend the Kindergarten teachers (even though I'm not one of them). Being so irritable or even irascible, you probably can't stand a day working as a kindergarten teacher. It is supposed to be a respectable job. You will understand this if you have children.

[ 本帖最後由 billy86che 於 2007-5-29 13:16 編輯 ]

作者: APPLE 時間: 2007-5-29 16:06
小弟上次在MMC試車的結果.....！

意見係：

4W原裝3010用..........19T+（29T/31T）會好D，

對3010黎講會無咁辛苦....！運作都幾順暢......！

頭段會（好難）爆得起，中至尾段加速就真係幾鬼快......！

估計咁用，只用到Stock R麼打的七成左右功力出黎的.....！

但如果個場細又彎多，齒比就要再大些了.....！

（要用足十成的，就要六粒4562了，那時Stock就滿足吾到你了，就會用Chili囉.....！）

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