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標題: 有玩開好盈無擦既師兄入黎幫幫手~大問題!! [打印本頁]

作者: 呀瘋    時間: 2008-9-6 00:50
標題: 有玩開好盈無擦既師兄入黎幫幫手~大問題!!
話說尋日(4/9)小弟買左套好盈5.5T摩打連電變,
架車係DF03,PINION GEAR 23T,SPUR GEAR 85T,
裝好左之後落街試車,玩左唔夠三分鐘架車停左,
估計佢係著左OVERHEAT PROTECTION,因為個電變好熱,
之後熄左車返屋企,放低架車冇耐佢就出煙,係勁大煙果隻,
跟手個電變開始有火花爆出黎,仲越黎越大煙,好驚佢爆炸!!
丟左架車出走廊,搵本書撥住幫佢散熱,雖然我知咁樣應該冇用,
好彩過左一分鐘都唔夠就冇再出煙。

架車而家既情況係電變同底兜「熔」為一體,底兜側邊彎左,
中間穿左個窿
舊鋰電側邊都穿埋……


而家成間屋一朕燒膠味!

有幾個問題想問各位師兄:

1~架車既齒比有冇問題?
2~如果有問題~咁佢咁樣出煙同火花係咪正常……?
3~如果係佢隻電變本身有問題,大家覺得如果拎返去模型舖有冇得換?

[ 本帖最後由 呀瘋 於 2008-9-6 01:13 編輯 ]
作者: 呀瘋    時間: 2008-9-6 00:55
舊lipo側邊既窿
作者: 呀瘋    時間: 2008-9-6 00:56
底兜中間既窿
作者: wingx2    時間: 2008-9-6 01:04
如果煙是電變發出電變己經燒左.
作者: 比利羊    時間: 2008-9-6 01:17
85T / 23T = 3.69
雖然我唔知 DF-03 內齒比數, 但估計最多係 "3"
3.69 X 3 = 11.07
基本上我玩快車用 4.0R, 10 齒比左右, 睇來你用錯齒比!

玩完車之後要拔除電池再按開關一次, 把電溶放電.
有無保養都去問下, 好盈有三個月保用, 不過係正常壞機!
作者: 呀瘋    時間: 2008-9-6 01:22
原帖由 比利羊 於 2008-9-6 01:17 發表
85T / 23T = 3.69
雖然我唔知 DF-03 內齒比數, 但估計最多係 "3"
3.69 X 3 = 11.07
基本上我玩快車用 4.0R, 10 齒比左右, 睇來你用錯齒比!

玩完車之後要拔除電池再按開關一次, 把電溶放電.
有無保養都去問下, ...

唔該師兄~我會去問架喇~
作者: 倒錢落海    時間: 2008-9-6 01:40
原帖由 呀瘋 於 2008-9-6 01:22 發表

唔該師兄~我會去問架喇~
23t pinion 搭 85t spur 已經係 df03 最大既齒比. 我都係咁樣搭法. 我又係用 5.5r, 亦係鋰電. 而且係跑沙灘. 不下幾十次. 好地地. 正常冇事.
作者: 呀瘋    時間: 2008-9-6 01:44
原帖由 倒錢落海 於 2008-9-6 01:40 發表
23t pinion 搭 85t spur 已經係 df03 最大既齒比. 我都係咁樣搭法. 我又係用 5.5r, 亦係鋰電. 而且係跑沙灘. 不下幾十次. 好地地. 正常冇事.

師兄你都係用緊好盈電變?
作者: 馮馮ymc    時間: 2008-9-6 01:50
5.5T係好盈60A嘅極限,一般電房都冇乜問題,用係Buggy上唔係咁好,要用就要好小心配齒比,用60A玩buggy最好用9T!!
作者: 倒錢落海    時間: 2008-9-6 01:53
原帖由 呀瘋 於 2008-9-6 01:44 發表

師兄你都係用緊好盈電變?
唔係. 我用 novak gtb 5.5r.
作者: 呀瘋    時間: 2008-9-6 02:11
咁~咁多位師兄~其實我架車個齒比有冇問題?
作者: 馮馮ymc    時間: 2008-9-6 02:18
原帖由 呀瘋 於 2008-9-6 02:11 發表
咁~咁多位師兄~其實我架車個齒比有冇問題?

你睇吓說明書,內齒比幾多,我諗你要用到12~13:1咁上下先安全,因為60A玩buggy用5.5T唔多夠力水!!
作者: 呀瘋    時間: 2008-9-6 02:30
原帖由 馮馮ymc 於 2008-9-6 02:18 發表

你睇吓說明書,內齒比幾多,我諗你要用到12~13:1咁上下先安全,因為60A玩buggy用5.5T唔多夠力水!!

23T搭85T個齒比係11.29:1,,
唔該哂…
作者: swswsw    時間: 2008-9-6 09:45
原帖由 呀瘋 於 2008-9-6 02:30 發表

23T搭85T個齒比係11.29:1,,
唔該哂…


So Scary...most important is no injury...

Logically, ESC should have high temperature cut well before it is hot enough to go into fire... if you have the high-temp-cut enabled...?

After high-temp-cut, the ESC should stop working anymore until it is restarted. (if the high-temp-cut function properly). So it should not lead to fire also.

I guess you not yet disconnected the battery before fire.? And provided that your battery specification is within limit:-

The possible reasons of the fire should be:-
1. The high-temp-cut off function is DISABLED? -> Circuit melted leading to short-circuit and fire. This might not be under warranty.
2. The high-temp-cut off function is ENABLED, but there is manufacture-fault, the temp go far beyond the designed value. Some circuits melted under high temp, and finally resulting in short circuit in ESC (while you still connecting the battery?) and fire. -> This should be manufacture-fault.

To my understanding, if it is the second case, you should have right to claim the manufacturer...
作者: 呀瘋    時間: 2008-9-6 11:08
原帖由 swswsw 於 2008-9-6 09:45 發表


So Scary...most important is no injury...

Logically, ESC should have high temperature cut well before it is hot enough to go into fire... if you have the high-temp-cut enabled...?

After h ...

Thx for your opinion.
The overheat protection of the ESC was enabled.
It went into smoke at first and then spark just when I put the car down =W=
作者: swswsw    時間: 2008-9-6 11:34
原帖由 呀瘋 於 2008-9-6 11:08 發表

Thx for your opinion.
The overheat protection of the ESC was enabled.
It went into smoke at first and then spark just when I put the car down =W=


If so, suggest to bring it back to the retail shop for immediate replacement...this should normally be entertained.
作者: 馮馮ymc    時間: 2008-9-7 00:37
原帖由 swswsw 於 2008-9-6 11:34 發表


If so, suggest to bring it back to the retail shop for immediate replacement...this should normally be entertained.

wrong gear-ratio and wrong install can break the warrenty!!
and also 60A+5.5t is not suitable for most of the buggy and truggy!!
and no one know the user turn on the over-heat protection or not when it burn.....
作者: 呀瘋    時間: 2008-9-7 01:00
咁其實可唔可以肯定11.29既GEAR RATIO係錯??
60A電變唔可搭5.5T呢個真係唔識~第一次買BL
最尾果句真係口同鼻拗=3=
不過我覺得玩得車~賣得車既都係講道理既人黎既。

THX~
作者: 馮馮ymc    時間: 2008-9-7 01:34
原帖由 呀瘋 於 2008-9-7 01:00 發表
咁其實可唔可以肯定11.29既GEAR RATIO係錯??
60A電變唔可搭5.5T呢個真係唔識~第一次買BL
最尾果句真係口同鼻拗=3=
不過我覺得玩得車~賣得車既都係講道理既人黎既。

THX~

應該咁講!!60A配5.5T係極限,亦即係要比較小心用,而Buggy用11.29呢個齒比如果用90A至100A左右電變會handle得好d,
60A+5.5T我地係touring上面都用11.5/1開始試!!唔敢用太低齒比....始终60A都唔係High-End嘢
作者: 呀瘋    時間: 2008-9-7 01:38
原帖由 馮馮ymc 於 2008-9-7 01:34 發表

應該咁講!!60A配5.5T係極限,亦即係要比較小心用,而Buggy用11.29呢個齒比如果用90A至100A左右電變會handle得好d,
60A+5.5T我地係touring上面都用11.5/1開始試!!唔敢用太低齒比....始终60A都唔係High-End&#22 ...

師兄你講得好清楚~明白哂~

THANKS VERY MUCH!
作者: swswsw    時間: 2008-9-7 07:50
Some information from supplier web for your information, hope it help you...

Warranty Statement: http://www.hobbywing.com/english/kf.asp

3. Nonresponsibility:
    If there is any situation as below, then the product is not covered under warranty, then it will get non-warranty service.   
c) Product was damaged due to incorrect use or application, exposure to water or any other liquid, bang, knock and etc.
f) The after-sales service address of Hobbywing Technology Co., Ltd is as below:
3rd floor, 4th building, XinJiHui industrial park, HeShu Road, ShangXue Village, BanTian Town, LongGang District, ShenZhen, P.R.China   Contact Person  Ms. Tracy Ms. Echo  
TEL:  +86-755-25504333 Ext. 81  +86-755-25504333 Ext.82
MSN:  [email protected]  [email protected]
Skype:     
E-Mail:  [email protected]  [email protected]
9. The authority of interpretation of warranty service conditions belongs to Hobbywing Technology Co., Ltd.
So seems ...the proper way is to communicate with the supplier directly.....explain the case... and see what they can help...they must know its design the best....(I only guess how should it be )
作者: chris6200    時間: 2008-9-22 22:34
I Play R/C Model over 30 years, Made in china product, sorry! too Bad!
In my opionion, I never to bought a China R/C model product.
China Product = Bad Quality!
Reform economy since 80's
Especially in baby milk in recently!
China Product :@ :@ :@
作者: 馮馮ymc    時間: 2008-9-22 22:39
原帖由 chris6200 於 2008-9-22 22:34 發表
I Play R/C Model over 30 years, Made in china product, sorry! too Bad!
In my opionion, I never to bought a China R/C model product.
China Product = Bad Quality!
Reform economy since 80's
Especial ...

Many out-side band OEM from China woo!!!
作者: 倒錢落海    時間: 2008-9-22 23:20
原帖由 馮馮ymc 於 2008-9-22 22:39 發表

Many out-side band OEM from China woo!!!
"大陸牌子" 同埋 "外國牌子大陸製造" 係兩回事來的.

基本上我同意樓上所講. 我都唔會買大陸牌子產品. 一黎信唔過. 二黎睇唔起.
作者: 馮馮ymc    時間: 2008-9-22 23:25
原帖由 倒錢落海 於 2008-9-22 23:20 發表
"大陸牌子" 同埋 "外國牌子大陸製造" 係兩回事來的.

基本上我同意樓上所講. 我都唔會買大陸牌子產品. 一黎信唔過. 二黎睇唔起.

你係外國人????
"大陸牌子" 同埋 "外國牌子大陸製造" 好多都只係包裝唔同搾!!
作者: 倒錢落海    時間: 2008-9-22 23:34
原帖由 馮馮ymc 於 2008-9-22 23:25 發表

你係外國人????
"大陸牌子" 同埋 "外國牌子大陸製造" 好多都只係包裝唔同搾!!
有保留. 再者, rc 的電子野, 仍然有好多外國製造既產品可揀.

就算唔係電子野, 大家玩 rc 的 parts, 尤其要受力果的部份 (例如萬向), made in usa/japan 果的, 通常都比較硬淨耐用. 你試下買 3racing/老展果的去代替, 你就明白咩叫一分錢一分貨.
作者: spring    時間: 2008-9-22 23:59
原帖由 倒錢落海 於 2008-9-22 23:20 發表
"大陸牌子" 同埋 "外國牌子大陸製造" 係兩回事來的.

基本上我同意樓上所講. 我都唔會買大陸牌子產品. 一黎信唔過. 二黎睇唔起.

but y many 外國人 come here to buy 3racing/老展果的去外國?????? And how to find & buy 外國製造既產品!!!!
LRP made by citx form china, hpi OEM form speed px, and also Novak ............ so i think u 偏激咗d!!!!!!!!
作者: 呀瘋    時間: 2008-9-23 00:04
原帖由 倒錢落海 於 2008-9-22 23:34 發表
有保留. 再者, rc 的電子野, 仍然有好多外國製造既產品可揀.

就算唔係電子野, 大家玩 rc 的 parts, 尤其要受力果的部份 (例如萬向), made in usa/japan 果的, 通常都比較硬淨耐用. 你試下買 3racing/老展果的去代 ...

同意
外國野真係耐用好多,見你講開萬向,
我架zx5 rtr玩左成年先爛一條膠萬向,
買過條made in japan既spare parts都係$4x
雖然唔知佢rtr條萬向係咪中國造,
但係至少可以令我覺得kyosho d野係貴d,但係貴得黎抵
自從電變出火花呢件事發生左之後,我以後都唔會再買中國牌子既rc產品。
除非佢有kyosho咁既質素,我就會考慮下~
作者: 馮馮ymc    時間: 2008-9-23 00:08
原帖由 倒錢落海 於 2008-9-22 23:34 發表
有保留. 再者, rc 的電子野, 仍然有好多外國製造既產品可揀.

就算唔係電子野, 大家玩 rc 的 parts, 尤其要受力果的部份 (例如萬向), made in usa/japan 果的, 通常都比較硬淨耐用. 你試下買 3racing/老展果的去代 ...

你自己有冇用過先???你唔係話唔知大把大牌子都係由你話屎果d廠做架!!
唔好睇唔起我地d祖國貨!!只不過係良莠不齊啫!!
作者: 呀瘋    時間: 2008-9-23 00:15
原帖由 馮馮ymc 於 2008-9-23 00:08 發表

你自己有冇用過先???你唔係話唔知大把大牌子都係由你話屎果d廠做架!!
唔好睇唔起我地d祖國貨!!只不過係良莠不齊啫!!

所以就係咁奶左野=.=
雖然冇人想,但係真係對大陸牌子冇乜信心~
作者: 倒錢落海    時間: 2008-9-23 00:20
原帖由 spring 於 2008-9-22 23:59 發表

but y many 外國人 come here to buy 3racing/老展果的去外國?????? And how to find & buy 外國製造既產品!!!!
LRP made by citx form china, hpi OEM form speed px, and also Novak ............ so i think u ...
都係果句, "外國牌子大陸製造" 同 "大陸牌子" 係兩回事.

的人買大陸野, 都係貪大陸野夠平夠賤夠 cheap. 唔通貪佢 "quality" 出眾咩..
作者: 倒錢落海    時間: 2008-9-23 00:23
原帖由 呀瘋 於 2008-9-23 00:04 發表

同意
外國野真係耐用好多,見你講開萬向,
我架zx5 rtr玩左成年先爛一條膠萬向,
買過條made in japan既spare parts都係$4x
雖然唔知佢rtr條萬向係咪中國造,
但係至少可以令我覺得kyosho d野係貴d,但係 ...

kyosho 的車, 你成盒買返來, 個盒係寫住 made in china. 裡面的野都應該係 made in china. 但你散買 parts, 佢的 parts 係 made in japan.
作者: 馮馮ymc    時間: 2008-9-23 00:23
原帖由 呀瘋 於 2008-9-23 00:15 發表

所以就係咁奶左野=.=
雖然冇人想,但係真係對大陸牌子冇乜信心~

我用35A+4000kv用到5.5/1齒比係PYC玩咗4個月.........一d事都冇喎!!
之前用過GxM果d鐵萬向玩咗成年都冇事,睇你點用啫!!!
作者: 馮馮ymc    時間: 2008-9-23 00:26
原帖由 倒錢落海 於 2008-9-23 00:20 發表
都係果句, "外國牌子大陸製造" 同 "大陸牌子" 係兩回事.

的人買大陸野, 都係貪大陸野夠平夠賤夠 cheap. 唔通貪佢 "quality" 出眾咩..

唔好咁激.....而家d大陸"quality" 都唔係咁差嘅!!有好多仲比外國好添
作者: 倒錢落海    時間: 2008-9-23 00:28
原帖由 馮馮ymc 於 2008-9-23 00:08 發表

你自己有冇用過先???你唔係話唔知大把大牌子都係由你話屎果d廠做架!!
唔好睇唔起我地d祖國貨!!只不過係良莠不齊啫!!

大陸野, 點止良莠不齊丫. 大陸野, 從來唔會係品質既保證. 行電器舖, 買電器, made in japan/made in korea 果的, 人地會大大隻字標明, 因為係賣點, 因為值錢. made in china 果的, 就唔會寫出來.
作者: 呀瘋    時間: 2008-9-23 00:28
原帖由 倒錢落海 於 2008-9-23 00:23 發表

kyosho 的車, 你成盒買返來, 個盒係寫住 made in china. 裡面的野都應該係 made in china. 但你散買 parts, 佢的 parts 係 made in japan.

所以就係講緊外國牌子中國製造既話~
好似KYOSHO呢D就信得過,
中國牌子中國製造→
作者: 倒錢落海    時間: 2008-9-23 00:29
原帖由 呀瘋 於 2008-9-23 00:15 發表

所以就係咁奶左野=.=
雖然冇人想,但係真係對大陸牌子冇乜信心~

換套 novak 落去啦. 果的甚麼好盈, 忘記佢吧.
作者: 呀瘋    時間: 2008-9-23 00:30
原帖由 倒錢落海 於 2008-9-23 00:29 發表

換套 novak 落去啦. 果的甚麼好盈, 忘記佢吧.

我之後諗住換LRP
作者: 倒錢落海    時間: 2008-9-23 00:30
原帖由 馮馮ymc 於 2008-9-23 00:23 發表

我用35A+4000kv用到5.5/1齒比係PYC玩咗4個月.........一d事都冇喎!!
之前用過GxM果d鐵萬向玩咗成年都冇事,睇你點用啫!!!
你玩 touring, 損耗比較少. buggy 損耗比較大. 你試下 buggy 用老展萬向會點..
作者: 倒錢落海    時間: 2008-9-23 00:31
原帖由 馮馮ymc 於 2008-9-23 00:26 發表

唔好咁激.....而家d大陸"quality" 都唔係咁差嘅!!有好多仲比外國好添
係囉的大陸奶粉真係好好丫
作者: 倒錢落海    時間: 2008-9-23 00:34
原帖由 呀瘋 於 2008-9-23 00:30 發表

我之後諗住換LRP
lrp 都好. 我都有.

但係我套 novak 真係好神勇囉. 同你一樣, df03, 23 pinion 搭 85 spur, 5.5r brushless, 拆左散熱風扇, 跑沙灘, 廿幾卅排電都玩左, 仲係好地地.

至於點解要拆散熱風扇, 因為入沙, 隻風扇俾沙石打死左了. 但即使無風扇, 部野仍然運作正常. 於是我由得佢繼續無風扇.
作者: 呀瘋    時間: 2008-9-23 00:48
原帖由 倒錢落海 於 2008-9-23 00:34 發表
lrp 都好. 我都有.

但係我套 novak 真係好神勇囉. 同你一樣, df03, 23 pinion 搭 85 spur, 5.5r brushless, 拆左散熱風扇, 跑沙灘, 廿幾卅排電都玩左, 仲係好地地.

至於點解要拆散熱風扇, 因為入沙, 隻風扇俾 ...

我諗我買左無擦之後會裝落ZX5試下先=W=
始終DF03同ZX5比,ZX5 SET齒比可以SET大D~同埋ZX5架車整體黎講順D
試完再裝落DF03度~~
作者: leotaigo    時間: 2008-9-23 02:10
以下所有只係我個人意見!!!
有人鍾意名牌外國貨,有人就支持祖國貨!
咁鍾意名牌外國貨啲朋友!你知唔知只有 KO 先係日本做?
幾其他好多都係祖國做! 名牌貨奶左野佢講你知呀?
祖國貨唔係無好嘢! 只不過係OEM比咗好多好嘢出口!
你去買的 [ 澳 X 安 ] 的電同魔打係邊做?你古你用咗真係會飛咩!
唔怪得啲大陸人睇唔起啲 HK ! 咁唔鍾意中國改做鬼啦!!
我講多一次以上全都係個人意見!!!
作者: 倒錢落海    時間: 2008-9-23 02:34
原帖由 leotaigo 於 2008-9-23 02:10 發表
以下所有只係我個人意見!!!
有人鍾意名牌外國貨,有人就支持祖國貨!
咁鍾意名牌外國貨啲朋友!你知唔知只有 KO 先係日本做?
幾其他好多都係祖國做! 名牌貨奶左野佢講你知呀?
祖國貨唔係無好&#2 ...

問心丫, 果的話支持大陸野/選擇買大陸野既人, 原因係乜? 真係衷心相信大陸野品質優秀? 定還是只不過係貪佢夠平?

你講開 orion, 我買果的 orion 鋰電都係韓國造.
作者: swswsw    時間: 2008-9-23 07:39
原帖由 leotaigo 於 2008-9-23 02:10 發表
以下所有只係我個人意見!!!
有人鍾意名牌外國貨,有人就支持祖國貨!
咁鍾意名牌外國貨啲朋友!你知唔知只有 KO 先係日本做?
幾其他好多都係祖國做! 名牌貨奶左野佢講你知呀?
祖國貨唔係無好&#2 ...


Yes, this is true. China Factory divides products into different grades, Grade A, B, C, D.. etc...
Grade A goes to large brand, as OEM.
Grade B goes to small brand.....
...
Grade D...or lower goes to local China market...

China Factory do make good quality products, but in every production, there must be less perfect production, in overseas, they scrap it.. but in China, they sell it as lower bin.
作者: simontam    時間: 2008-9-23 16:52
RC大陸牌子吾係話全部都吾得,而係大部份都較差,樓主個esc我有,玩過之後給了我朋友,最終細車太家都係用番novak,或mamba maxx esc+traxxas無刷,樓上brother說"外國牌子大陸製造" 同 "大陸牌子" 係兩回事.,這點我十分同意,我用過幾個牌子的電子野,大陸造的品牌真係比不下去,如大size novak HV為例,已經玩爛了3架車,以前吾識齒比熱到煎蛋都試過幾次,依家還建在,有時比多幾百,我覺得值。
如果貪平玩大陸車及電子野,玩爛算數係個人喜好,但建議樓主買orion電,又吾貴,差少少$無謂用大陸鋰電,等如買六合彩一樣睇彩數!




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