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 樓主| gtimax 發表於 2011-9-13 22:27:48 | 只看該作者
就係唔煲胎都有效果先勁
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punchan 發表於 2011-9-13 22:41:51 | 只看該作者
回復 Allan007 的帖子

等Allan007 C HING 測試及分析後報告,順便多謝你贈送的油厭,換左現在吾漏油啦!THX
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Allan007 發表於 2011-9-13 22:56:07 | 只看該作者

大哥,唔好旨意我呀,我手車好屎架喳。我除左試得出胎既分別外,其他野響我手中都係一樣既
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 樓主| gtimax 發表於 2011-9-14 00:19:41 | 只看該作者
都係一樣咁勁
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g679654 發表於 2011-9-14 10:38:56 | 只看該作者
即係要set 到無bump steering至正確??
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Chrispo 發表於 2011-9-14 11:26:09 | 只看該作者
g679654 發表於 2011-9-14 10:38
即係要set 到無bump steering至正確??

It doesn't seem like to be. GTIMAX, please illustrate more!!
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yymgun 發表於 2011-9-14 20:25:57 | 只看該作者
gtimax 發表於 2011-9-13 21:57
嘩估唔倒有咁大回響,我未十分掌握但我嘗試回應大家,有錯請指正!
3BG, 你走我都未試倒,所以追你唔倒
小 ...

Thanks gtimax, I am reading the X-Ray set up books as I didn't find much setting information on Tamiya, may be is just me but I do really find X-Ray explain many things very well....let me try by myself because both the manual (tell us to set 0 bump steering) and kkchung link suggested differently....
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defcone 發表於 2011-9-15 13:24:20 | 只看該作者
It just means that as the suspension compresses, you get more toe in and will lead to undetsteere. Therefore it feels like more rear grip in turn in.
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 樓主| gtimax 發表於 2011-9-15 13:32:23 | 只看該作者
defcone 發表於 2011-9-15 13:24
It just means that as the suspension compresses, you get more toe in and will lead to undetsteere. T ...

no, it gets more steering and rear grip!
I dont know how to calculate the bump steering, zero or positive or negative , it is no document found for it, so we have to test for your own car.
I will tell more until I can handle it !
thanks
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arto6 發表於 2011-9-15 14:09:00 | 只看該作者
ching們,以下有位ching在國內論壇的資料,希望幫到你地思考
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 樓主| gtimax 發表於 2011-9-15 18:24:38 | 只看該作者
very good info , thanks!
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arto6 發表於 2011-9-15 18:32:14 | 只看該作者
ue welcome
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Allan007 發表於 2011-9-15 19:06:35 | 只看該作者
arto6 發表於 2011-9-15 14:09
ching們,以下有位ching在國內論壇的資料,希望幫到你地思考
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好!明白晒。Thank you 師兄
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g679654 發表於 2011-9-15 23:10:36 | 只看該作者
明白晒
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Chrispo 發表於 2011-9-16 15:07:47 | 只看該作者
found this website: http://www.smithees-racetech.com.au/ackerman.html

Although it's about ackerman geometry, it seems like explaining why the rear of the car is getting more stable about the bump steer has been adjusted. Just my personal understanding: when adjusting the bump steer, you are actually working on the dynamic toe change during the cornering. I don't think XRAY has been overlooking the issue. XRAY may want to set the bump steer to minimial effect and let the ackerman adjuster at the steering system to do most of the job. Just my own opinion.
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 樓主| gtimax 發表於 2011-9-16 23:12:08 | 只看該作者
bump steer /ackerman no any relationship when I was tested.
but thanks
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Allan007 發表於 2011-9-16 23:18:22 | 只看該作者
gtimax 發表於 2011-9-16 23:12
bump steer /ackerman no any relationship when I was tested.
but thanks

岩岩換晒兩邊C座,T3原裝setting,細心測量後bump steering為小於一度,聽朝JV試車
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 樓主| gtimax 發表於 2011-9-16 23:57:36 | 只看該作者
good try!
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Chrispo 發表於 2011-9-17 00:03:16 | 只看該作者
gtimax 發表於 2011-9-16 23:12
bump steer /ackerman no any relationship when I was tested.
but thanks

It's true that both of them may not have direct relationship but they are certainly affecting the toe change during cornering. Bump steer - something is undesirable, uncontrollable in 1:1 racing car and ackerman is something you can control and set to your desired level.

I'm just guessing .... (correct me if I'm wrong)..... you were tested at JV, a very smooth and flat track, excellent for touring cars. Under this circumstance with the ackerman being left as the factory setting, changing the bump steer (I here assume toe up when pressing down the front of the car) means having more toe out during the mid-corner and corner exit. Why not the corner entry, similar due to that the loading of the front tyres are controlled by the shocks, front roll centre height and the geometry of the suspension arms. At the mid-corner and corner exit, when these factors are pushing to the limits, the bump steer effect kicks in especially at the front inside tyre. The extra toe out at front inside tyre generates more lateral grip and therefore the car can have higher speed through the mid-corner and corner exit.

So why did you have more stability at the rear part? I can only assume (or another wild guess, ) with the front part of the car (both the front outside and inside tyres are generating similar grip, instead of the outside tyre grip >>>> inside tyre grip), now the car behaves as if what a 4WD should be. Meanwhile, beware that you find the stability happened at mid-corner and corner exit, this is usually the area when you press onto the throttle so the weight transfer effect at your car put great loading to the rear of your car leading to excellent traction. Again, that means you would have no problem in accelerating your car out of the corner.
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Chrispo 發表於 2011-9-17 00:05:55 | 只看該作者
Sorry for the long writing. Thanks for your time reading the lines.
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