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1:10 F1 vs touring

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gtimax 發表於 2010-2-17 22:31:01 | 只看該作者 回帖獎勵 |倒序瀏覽 |閱讀模式

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點解真車是f1快, 1:10是touring快?(不限摩打)
似乎是因為touring風壓大的關係, 但真車點解唔得?
大家幫手分析下!
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bigman0712 發表於 2010-2-17 22:34:48 | 只看該作者

咁點解真車撞車會死人.....1/10撞車唔會死人 .......
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f-16 發表於 2010-2-17 23:03:17 | 只看該作者
設計都吾同。
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tb03 發表於 2010-2-17 23:31:58 | 只看該作者
1# gtimax
兩種是完全截然不同車種很難作出比較,搖控模型車同真車亦是無得比較
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newkid 發表於 2010-2-18 01:33:13 | 只看該作者
本帖最後由 newkid 於 2010-2-18 01:58 編輯

May be Ching can look at the following departments to understand why, in the real world, F1 cars can go around a circuit much faster than touring cars (e.g. the Japan Super GT500 series). The 2009 best laptime at Suzuka for F1 is 1'32.569 while that for GT500 is 1'58.093.


1. Power-to-weight ratio
GT500: e.g. for the 2009 Lexus Petronas TOM's SC430, the power-to-weight ratio is estimated to be 500bhp/1100kg = 0.45bhp/kg
F1: e.g. for the 2009 Ferrari F60, the power-to-weight ratio is estimated to be 780bhp/600kg = 1.3bhp/kg

Hence, F1 has much better power-to-weight ratio and so it can provide better acceleration and can attain higher top speed given the same distance to accelerate.

Similarly, as F1 cars are much lighter, given the same braking force, F1 cars can brake much later and require much shorter braking distance.


2. Tire-grip
F1 has much wider tires which can create more grip than the narrower tires of touring cars. As such, F1 can go around corners at a much higher speed without skidding and it can accelerate/decelerate much harder.


3. Aerodynamics
The analysis isn't as straight forward as the previous two as:
1. F1 has a open-wheel design which causes turbulence and so such aerodynamics is not as efficient as GT500 which is close-wheel
2. on the other hand, the aerodynamic effect of wings and bodyworks of the two series are not obvious to me as:
        a) large wing tends to create more downforce but, at the same time, it produces more drag
        b) the body shapes between F1 and touring cars are largely different (e.g. F1 has pointed nose and large sidepods which touring cars don't have), so not exactly sure which one is more efficient aerodynamically

Yet, I tend to think the overall aerodynamic efficiency of F1 cars is better

Perhaps you can perform a similar analysis for 1/10 RC cars and try to understand why the interaction among these three aspects on 1/10 touring cars can make them go faster than 1/10 F1

For me, I think tire-grip and power-to-weight ratio dominate in 1/10 RC cars and tire-grip is the limiting factor. Besides, 1/10 RC touring is 4WD and you have 4-wheel-braking (assuming one-way is not use) while that for 1/10 F1 is RWD and it has rear-wheel-braking only.
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rc2006 發表於 2010-2-18 01:46:31 | 只看該作者
No. F-1 aerodynamic efficieny is worst than GT500 car. Just that the areodrag is transfer
into downforce and it makes F1 car corner much faster than GT500 car. But in a long track
(if F1 ever run at LeMan) side by side with GT500 I think GT500 will win.
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manhunt 發表於 2010-2-18 02:01:16 | 只看該作者
乜rc f1唔夠touring快架咩?
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tomatchinhk 發表於 2010-2-18 09:59:29 | 只看該作者
大家可以上 mms 留意下尾區快定四區快.... F-1 是需要很平,高traction 的路面才能發揮 !!
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ericho 發表於 2010-2-18 10:48:39 | 只看該作者
No. F-1 aerodynamic efficieny is worst than GT500 car. Just that the areodrag is transfer
into downforce and it makes F1 car corner much faster than GT500 car. But in a long track
(if F1 ever run at ...
rc2006 發表於 2010-2-18 01:46

F1 極速和加速都在gt500之上, gt500係因為波牙密,先有咁好加速
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 樓主| gtimax 發表於 2010-2-18 11:35:06 | 只看該作者
嘩大家既分析好勁好pro, 我地繼續討論應該會找出原因!
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tc3driver 發表於 2010-2-18 11:59:10 | 只看該作者
本帖最後由 tc3driver 於 2010-2-18 12:04 編輯

上面有師兄說" Power-to-weight ratio"已經解釋了,
TOM's SC430 真車重量 = 1100kg
F1真車重量 = 600kg
如果以十份一比例計算
1/10 TOM's SC430 模型重量應該是110kg (242磅)
1/10 F1模型重量應該是60kg (132磅, 如果真係有架百幾磅的搖控車就會撞得瓜人)
在真實世界F1重量只有一半,馬力又大,如果以這個重量比賽,F1一定快,
但在十份一的模型世界裹,車重相差不夠一半,亦只得一點幾kg,馬力又差不多,所以與真實世界不一樣
(在直路1/10 F1一定快過房車)
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babyboomer 發表於 2010-2-18 12:13:18 | 只看該作者
點解真實飄移要兩驅, 而1/10要四驅既?
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manhunt 發表於 2010-2-18 12:15:03 | 只看該作者
1:10車既長度係10分之1
體積同重量都係1000分之1
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sunday 發表於 2010-2-18 12:23:18 | 只看該作者
點解我的真車個馬達大小像一台冰箱
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sunday 發表於 2010-2-18 12:25:31 | 只看該作者
點解 1:10 模型噴射機不能超音速 ??
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sunday 發表於 2010-2-18 12:25:34 | 只看該作者
點解 1:10 模型噴射機不能超音速 ??
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newkid 發表於 2010-2-18 12:30:43 | 只看該作者
16# sunday


emm... do u think model plane can withstand the sonic boom as it goes thru the sonic barrier? i wonder if it will disintegrate
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 樓主| gtimax 發表於 2010-2-18 12:43:54 | 只看該作者
"在直路1/10 F1一定快過房車"
how about cornering?
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rt476 發表於 2010-2-18 13:12:32 | 只看該作者
1:10 F1 膠呔有邊隻好咬過 sorex 36r...
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sunday 發表於 2010-2-18 16:49:18 | 只看該作者
16# sunday


emm... do u think model plane can withstand the sonic boom as it goes thru the sonic barrier? i wonder if it will disintegrate
newkid 發表於 2010-2-18 12:30


no~
in theory, we can craft a super sonic model. not even M.I.T. ..
but,
you cannot control such a fast moving object on the groud~~~~

hehe ~ ~
1:10 F1 vs touring
such a stupid question here ~~~~
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