TB EVO IV vs TB EVO V

各位高手，小弟現想買部高grade d o既tb evo，但係而家諗緊買iv 定v同搵緊邊度有得賣(同較平 )。本來想買iii 但係發現已經冇得賣。

睇過之前d post 發覺iv 同v d 價相差無幾，所以struggle 緊... 想問有冇人可以比較o下，例如iv 同v 個kit box 包d 乜，要加d 乜先可以有架落得地跑o既車... etc

當然最好可以指點o下邊度有得買 =) 同大概幾錢？

謝﹗

why don't you get the latest and greatest TA05MS?

o, it's because I persoanlly prefer 4WD shaft draft more

TB EVO IV and TB EVO V have a great different.

- Internal Ratio
- Bulk head design
- Chassis TB EVO V has much lower CG
- Steering system
- Propeller shaft (CVD style in TB EVO 5)

BTW I don't think TA05 MS is on the same grade of TB EVO 5. TB EVO series is on the level of 415 series. Actually there is no car is same grade as TA05MS. It is in-btw those plastic toy sand competition cars

原帖由 shungyan 於 2007-7-24 23:00 發表

                               
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TB EVO IV and TB EVO V have a great different.

- Internal Ratio
- Bulk head design
- Chassis TB EVO V has much lower CG
- Steering system
- Propeller shaft (CVD style in TB EVO 5)

BTW  ...

"It is in-btw those plastic toy sand competition cars"

What are you "upping?"

買V好過買VI........VI同III都仲係有嚴重掃齒問題.....係去到V先至有改善.

原帖由 shungyan 於 2007-7-25 15:00 發表

                               
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TB EVO IV and TB EVO V have a great different.

- Internal Ratio
- Bulk head design
- Chassis TB EVO V has much lower CG
- Steering system
- Propeller shaft (CVD style in TB EVO 5)

BTW  ...

TA05MS應該係同415同GRADE.

只係TA05MS個市場比較貼近於為田宮杯而設計.可以唔駛好似415咁要換KIT先可以用直電.

Typo error jer

"It is in-btw those plastic toys and competition cars"

I do not agree TA05MS is in the same grade (or I should say the purpose of design) of 415. The material they use are so close but in the design point of view, they are not the same!

TA05 - plastic toy for fun and easy to drive ->
TA05R - a racing plastic toy for race/fun ->
TA05MS -tune into a competition car but has some limitation as its design is based on a plastic toy

But what happen in Tamiya's shaft drive series

TB01(plastic toy again) -> TB01 EVO I -> TB01 EVOII (This one is almost the same grade of TA05MS)

Basically if Tamiya moves along the path. TB02, TB03 and etc will be released and there will be no high-end shaft drive from tamiya. However....

This situation changed when TB01 EVO III was released. TB01 EVO III was a total new design car which based on a total different set of criteria. It was a natural born competition car. TB01 EVO III share nothing from EVO1 and EVO II. Everything was built from the ground. At that time, TB01 EVOIII was still not 100% up to the standard of 414. But after it showed off its ability on different races, Tamiya decided to use it to form a parallel series of 414, one of the highest-end series of Tamiya. In order to fill-in the missed corresponding shaft drive series of TA series, TB02 was released.

So TB02 should be considered as the same grade of TA05. An you could imagine that if Tamiya going to release a TB02MS in some sense, it will not in the same grade of TB01 EVO V

[ 本帖最後由 shungyan 於 2007-7-25 17:43 編輯 ]

wow.. that's lot's of useful information... thanks guys.

So far what I hear from you is V is quite different from IV and V is better.

May be I talk more about my situation... usually I'll run my car on hard tiled gounds so I don't need it to be "sand-proof", and I guess in the near future I won't go for competition so lightness and good gear ratio is not a must for me. What I usually do is run my car and do some nice manipulations like drifting, 180/360 turn... etc, the best thing I think I'm using is my TA01. Right now I want to have a even better chassis to do similar things. Not necessary to be super fast but has to be easy to control and able to do those "tricks".

I also like assembling the entire kit myself (and that's where I started to like R/C model car actually) so pre-built models are not my cup of tea.

So what I'm now concerning is my new car should be able to do the things I do now and do it better. I can see IV on sale but not V for now since I don't quite know where to find them. I still haven't decided IV or V but I think I'll go for the cheaper one. Of course if the price difference is not too large I'll go for the newer V =)

So my questions are:

1. which one should I go for given my situation?
2. what are the approximate price for each of them?
3. and where can I find them in a cheaper price?
4. what else should I buy once I get the kit set to make a ready-for-run car?

Thanks a lot~!

p.s. for the V, on the right of the chassis there is a horizontal plastic on top of the servo, and it is absent from IV, what's that? Is it necessary?

原帖由 shungyan 於 2007-7-25 17:24 發表

                               
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I do not agree TA05MS is in the same grade (or I should say the purpose of design) of 415. The material they use are so close but in the design point of view, they are not the same!

TA05 - pla ...

冇TB01 EVO III呢回事.TB01就TB01,TBEVO就已經係同TB01完全唔同O既車嚟.TBEVO係BASE ON TGX O既配件演化出嚟.
TB01曾經出過一套KIT將佢變成一架炭纖TOURING,田宮出,但同TB EVO仍然講緊係兩件事嚟.根本就係兩條完全唔同O既演化線嚟.唯一同過就係TB EVO III同TB02.但TB EVO從未同TB01相同過或演化過.

TB EVO只係叫TB EVO,從未變成過TB01 EVO,唔好同佢加O的字.

更重要一點係.....TA05同TA05MS,根本係兩架車嚟.

佢地唯一相同只係個單向相同,PULLEY相同,齒比數相同.但整體結構係根本上兩架車嚟,甚至摩打位置都係唔相同.

雖則大家都係叫TA05為頭,但完全係兩架車嚟.

我發覺好多人都覺得TA05MS同TA05係同一條LINE.......我嚟緊星期日攞咗車我會影相俾大家睇下個分別........根本大部份TA05MS零件都係用唔到係TA05上面........

如果因為用相同件就會變成有關連或有影響.....咁415一早就應該衰咗.....MRE都係添....MRE用TA05 O既PULLEY件O既.TA05R又用415套臂......415套新臂就係TB02到嚟.......田宮O的O野不嬲都鍾意設計到兜亂用O架啦~但部份兜亂用唔等如就係一樣唧......

講返之前有人講TB01同TB EVO......

睇返佢地說明書啦......

TBEVO
http://www.tamiya.com/japan/rc/rcmanual/tbevo.pdf

TB01
http://www.tamiya.com/japan/rc/rcmanual/tb01_lanevo7wrc.pdf

一開始根本就係兩架車嚟,連波箱都唔一樣.個波箱係TGX共用.
唯一相同只係入面個驅動齒同臂.但呢SET O野就其實係TGX,TG10,TB01,TL01都有共通.

Thanks for the correction! AMAT.

But my point is how tamiya treat on the car series behide. Do you think Tamiya will replace 415 by TA05MS?? If it would be, I think Tamiya will not call it as TA somthing. It will become 416. If both cars standing on the same level, they will overlap each other. It is a dangerous in marketing. Tamiya will not do this.

It is easy to see a car is design for competition or for race

For Competition - Put everything in extreme and left no space for convenient.
For Race. - Still have some kind of easiness in access the car

Example: how many options it can hold a battery.

原帖由 shungyan 於 2007-7-25 19:37 發表

                               
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Thanks for the correction! AMAT.

But my point is how tamiya treat on the car series behide. Do you think Tamiya will replace 415 by TA05MS?? If it would be, I think Tamiya will not call it as ...

同樣道理,TB EVO V可以取代415嗎?一樣係唔可以.

你睇返佢地比賽就知,出去鬥車只係得TB EVO III,之後IV同V都冇係比賽出現過.

至於TA05MS可唔可以取代415呢?唔會.但同TB EVO V一樣可以同415同級.同級,唔等如取代.

我買左 TB EVO V.......渣落我覺得幾好,但係呢架車只適合用黎玩STOCK
因為呢架車冇出頭直軸...同黎大減唔可以裝100T(64PITCH)...如果要裝要磨板....
同埋摩打齒亦都唔可裝太大....最大只可以45T(64PITCH),33T(48PITCH)....
如果隻齒太大會頂住塊兩數板.....仲有我覺得架車唔可以撞...就算輕微既碰撞...好多野都要SET過

以上純熟個人意見......

軸車玩STOCK會好過玩MODIFY.....

So my questions are:

1. which one should I go for given my situation?
2. what are the approximate price for each of them?
3. and where can I find them in a cheaper price?
4. what else should I buy once I get the kit set to make a ready-for-run car?

Er... sorry guys... while I appreciate the information, I'd like to know about your advice on my questions... if you know any, please feel free to reply... I'm now really struggling which to get, somehow I'd put price as my first priority as I don't have too much preference or knowledge on which to choose, may be it doesn't really matter to me at all. However, I don't even know where can I get a EVO V for the time being... please help

thanks.

TB evo V will not replace 415 because they have their own application. Shaft drive has more advantage under limited power and energy. Belt drive has easier handling when power is big. Most important thing is gear trip is really a problem to shaft drive under the power of modified motor especially the BL motor. Anyway no one knows TA05MS will replace 415 or not expect tamiya. I'm also not going to say TA05MS does not worth it price. But it is not the grade of 415. The reason is the purpose of the design.

OK time for info2victor.

IMO, unless tamiya announces TA05MS will replace 415 and become its major competition car for future. And will continue develop this kind of chassis  layout, I would still suggest TB evo V / 415 series over TA05MS. Below are the good things and bad things they have in my own opinions.

TA05MS
Good Things
New, will have longer product life time, full options. Beautiful indeed
Easy to setup and run fast if it inherit the gene from TA series (this is what I call the purpose of design. Hope that TA05MS can contain both performance and user friendliness)
Bad things
car layout is not the main stream. This kind of layout, OVA T4 neo was already the best.
Unknown performance with this kind of layout (However OVA T4 neo is a good car).
Seems not 100% complete enough to be a high-end competition car (the complete one is T4-neo)

TBevoV / 415 MSXX
Good things
Proven performance
Chassis is more complete (I mean design is simple and stick to the point. Natural born performance oriented design)

Bad things
Old...too old
2nd hand price is not that high
Gear trip problem in TB series (even V still has the change to trip gear. But someone use it to enter IB cup A-main woo. BL tim ah)
Application limitation(stock or modify)
Expensive (now is better)
Target to experience user.

May be too much from me. He He He!

[ 本帖最後由 shungyan 於 2007-7-26 00:17 編輯 ]